Time for Kempthorne, King and co to fall on their swords, and resign. They wont have a show of re-election next year!The report to TDC said they identified 18 options for water, but only considered four. Now the Council should seriously look at the other alternatives.
If TDC reverse their decision I foresee years of Appeals to the Ombudsman, Judicial Reviews, etc. and the dam will never happen. They may as well start looking for a plan B now!
Nelson Pine Industries are a good example of water wastage. They are obviously running an exothermic reaction that requires tons of water for cooling. You can see tons of water in the form of steam continuously disappearing into the atmosphere. Why dont they condense this steam back to water and recycle it? Another question is how safe is their plant. NPI is owned by Japanese. Do we want foreigners dictating to us to build a dam?
Smith and Kempthorne both have to go. As elected representatives they have to listen to voters, the majority of which dont want the dam. They are both past their best by date!
If either Hawkes or Sangster change their vote it will be 7:7 and Two Vote Kempthorne will get his way. That will incur ratepayers a lot of legal expense to get a Judicial Review of the process!
Cancel all irrigation rights and there will be no shortages. Recent council report stated that many irrigators are grossly exceeding their allocation. Cancel them first!
Sir Geoffrey Palmer said decisions can be revisited. Too right they can! You can be sure that next year, when there is a new council (without Two Votes and his mates), the decision in favour of a dam will be reversed. Construction is unlikely to have started by next October as all the anticipated legal challenges will still be dragging on.
There are more acceptable alternatives which Kempthorne, King and co refuse to consider. These include MAR (managed aquifer replenishment), pipeing down the old railway route from the lakes, serial low weirs, etc., etc..The reason there is a shortage of water is that TDC have already allocated more water for irrigation than is available. Ban irrigation and problem fixed. Let the farmers turn to dry-land farming.
Wrong! Read the latest report to Council on the TDC website. The council officers identified 18 alternatives, but only investigated four. There a reason other high value crops that dont need much water.
This Extraordinary meeting of Council has been called at short notice. The addenda can be found on TDC website under Council Meetings. The PUBLIC will be EXCLUDED for the Waimea Dam item. This stinks! I trust any councillors unable to attend will be allowed to vote by phone, as in the past.
Cam the Town Clerk please explain why council officers identified 18 different options for water augmentation, but only considered four, and only gave councillors financials for the dam option? Why were councillors not given cost/benefit data for all 18 options? Who is running TDC - the councillors or the civil servants?
We can vote Kempthorne and Co out next year. Pity we have to wait another two years to vote out Nick! Doesnt he understand the word NO? I hope he understands GO!
Take note Jacinda, youve lost my Party Vote. And, Damian, I wont be voting for you either.Do the majority of politicians understand the Nicks bill will require urban ratepayers to subsidise a few farmers? NZ gave up agricultural subsidies decades ago.Good on the Greens for taking a stand and listening to the majority of Tasman ratepayers.
Time for Kempthorne, King and co to fall on their swords, and resign. They wont have a show of re-election next year!The report to TDC said they identified 18 options for water, but only considered four. Now the Council should seriously look at the other alternatives.
TDC cant do a simple job like the Queen Street rebuilt on time and within budget. Building a dam will make them broke. Then the goverment will sack the mayor and councillors and force the amalgamation with Nelson. How are Nelson ratepayers going to like picking up the TDC debts?
Sir Geoffrey Palmer said decisions can be revisited. Too right they can! If TDC go ahead with the dam you can be sure that next year, when there is a new council (without Two Votes and his mates),any decision in favour of a dam will be reversed. Construction is unlikely to have started by next October as all the anticipated legal challenges will still be dragging on.
Page 71 of the agenda for the July meeting of the Environment Committee says The remaining 41 were confirmed as illegal excess watertakes from 23 different water users TDC should cancel their allocations and then there will be plenty of water!
NPI should start by conserving water. Every day they are putting tons of steam into the atmosphere. They are on the shore and could easily use treated saltwater for their industrial purposes. Alternatively, they can use recycled water - places like London and Singapore have recycled water out of their taps - ours is wasted on Rabbit Island.The fact that NPI are foreign owned does not impress me!
Then TDC will go broke and the government will force the. Amalgamation with Nelson. How are Nelson ratepayers going to like having to pay off these debts?
There are better alternatives to the dam, such as Managed Aquifer Replenishment, as used in Canterbury, Holland, Arizona, etc.. One pumps water underground in the wet season and pumps it back up when it is dry. The total volume of the known aquifers under the Waimea Plain is over 80million cubic meters - the proposed dam is only 12 million! The operating costs may be a bit higher, but the capital cost will be less.
Could it be the Japanese owners of Nelson Pine Ind? Or is it Fonterra? If the latter we can expect the Waimea River to be a disaster zone. A dry river bed in winter when then are building up supplies for Summer irrigation - and the river will be polluted with dairy run off. All to make a few farmers rich at ratepayers expense. We gave up agricultural subsidies in the 1980s!
TDC Council need a restructure. My experience of other councils is that the issues are developed in Sub-committees, which then report to the full Council a couple of weeks later for confirmation or amendment. The Press reports of Sub-committee business gives the public a chance to state their views before the Council meeting. In TDC, all councillors are on the major Committees and binding decisions are made there, without a public airing.
I thought NZ agave up agricultural subsidies decades ago. The dam is a backward step. Big problem is that TDC have already allocated more water for irrigation than is available. Take it back, and there will be plenty of water for the 99% of the residents who dont irrigate!
Councillors heard a international consultant engineer who is based in Moutere submit that dam was not safe and that cost could double. TDC will go broke over this and all the councillors will be sacked. Then the government will force amalgamation with Nelson and Nelson ratepayers will have to pay off the TDC debt!
Look in the phone book. Several of the Kempthorne Clan live on the zone of benefit. Does any body know if Tim King (deputy mayor) and Murray King (irrigator) are related?
Many of the farmers in the zone of benefit already have their own dams and reservoirs put there by their forward thinking forebears at their own expense. Let others do the same now and not expect urban ratepayers to subsidise their operations.
The reason there is not enough water is that TDC have over allocated the amount of water available. Take back the irrigation allocations and the problem will be fixed!
TDC will go broke, either when people dont pay their rates, or when cost over-runs from the dam hit. Either way, the government could appoint a Commissioner to run the district, or force amalgamation with Nelson. In the latter case, Nelson will have to settle TDCs debts.
Time to reorganise TDC. Other councils Ive dealt with do the detail work in Sub-committees, possibly if closed session if it is commercially sensitive. Their recommendations go in a report to full council a couple of weeks later. This may be taken up by the press so is known to the public. The full council have time to read the report and can then adopt, amend or reject the subcommittees recommendations.
When one flies over the region one can see all the small, privately owned, irrigation ponds that forward thinking farmers and orchardists created at their own expense many years ago. Let those who want the dam do this.In the TDC environment committee last month it was reported that 23 parties grossly exceeded the amount of water they were permitted to take. What Are TDC doing about this?Also, what about the Council officers who over allocated the available water for irrigation. Have they been sacked?
It has not been proven that water will percolate from the dam to the aquifers. Most dams silt up, and when this happens, no water will reach the aquifers. Then the likely outcome is that they will have to pump the water underground. They could do that now. Pump water into the huge aquifers in the wet season and pump it back up when it is dry. This is Managed Aquifer Replenishment, as done in Canterbury, Holland, Arizona, etc.
The whole business of the dam stinks. Hopefully Kempthorne, King and the other supporters will be ousted in next years local body elections. We ratepayers, as well as the councillors, need to know what is going on behind the scenes - I dont trust the Council officers. What is the total cost going to be? Who will pay for the over-runs? NZ agave up agricultural subsidies. Years ago. This dam will be a backward step.
Not only third world countries are worse. Just back from France. In rural areas some toilets still just have a starting blocks and a hole in the floor. Where there is a toilet as we know it, there is no guarantee of a seat or paper or a door. The old open-to-view pissoire are now rare.
The only winners from the court case will be the lawyers. WIN and others who sue TDC will have their legal costs, and all ratepayers will have to pay TDCs.
No way can they build a dam within budget. Time to pull the plug on that project. Hopeful Kempthorne King and co will be gone next local body elections
If the dam goes ahead you can expect TDC to go broke. Then the government will force the amalgamation with Nelson. How will Nelson ratepayers like to be saddled with Tasman debts
Agreed! And when TDC go broke, the government will sack the mayor and councillors and force an amalgamation with Nelson. How are Nelson ratepayers going to like laying off TDCs debts?
Staker, do your homework! Read the report to the August Coincil meeting (Google: tdc council meetings). 18 options have been identified, but only the dam and two others given any consideration. If they looked at Managed Aquifer Replenishment, as done in Canterbury, Holland and Arizona, they wouldnt need a dam. The known aquifers total over 80 million cubic meters - the dam would only be 12!
Now Kempthorne and his mates better listen to the majority of Tasman ratepayers and ditch their plans for the Waimea Dam. He will be gone next years local body elections - that is a safe bet!
2 days agoNarkI was a customer of National Bank for nearly 50 years till ANZ took them over. Services have steadily declined since then. Time for me to look for a new bank!Keith Holysmoke was a Motueka man. He must be turning in his grave over this. John Key is chairman of ANZs NZ board. Shame on him for letting this happen!
Tasman councillors vote against proceeding with Waimea dam
Time for Kempthorne, King and co to fall on their swords, and resign. They wont have a show of re-election next year!The report to TDC said they identified 18 options for water, but only considered four. Now the Council should seriously look at the other alternatives.
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
If TDC reverse their decision I foresee years of Appeals to the Ombudsman, Judicial Reviews, etc. and the dam will never happen. They may as well start looking for a plan B now!
Waimea dam build price $18m over estimate, project cost blows out by $26m
Now, Richard Kempthorne, it is time to do the honourable thing and fall on your sword. RESIGN! We ratepayers dont want your misdirected leadership.
Hundreds of protesters voice opposition to Waimea dam
Nelson Pine Industries are a good example of water wastage. They are obviously running an exothermic reaction that requires tons of water for cooling. You can see tons of water in the form of steam continuously disappearing into the atmosphere. Why dont they condense this steam back to water and recycle it? Another question is how safe is their plant. NPI is owned by Japanese. Do we want foreigners dictating to us to build a dam?
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
Sir Geoffrey has relatives in the Nelson region. Is this independent advice?
Tasman District Council decides to proceed with controversial Waimea dam project
NZ gave up agricultural subsidies in the 1980s. Why are TDC bringing them back?
Alas: Smith and Jones hit out at council decision to end Waimea dam plan
Agreed. When you fly over the district you can see dozens of privately owned dams built by forward thinking landowners.
Waimea Irrigators finds investor to help plug funding gap for dam plan
So, will the secret investor expect a return on capital? Also, will they indemnify reatepayers against any cost blowouts?
Tasman District Council pursues local bill for dam land, MP seeks full house support
Smith and Kempthorne both have to go. As elected representatives they have to listen to voters, the majority of which dont want the dam. They are both past their best by date!
Waimea dam project may be refloated
If either Hawkes or Sangster change their vote it will be 7:7 and Two Vote Kempthorne will get his way. That will incur ratepayers a lot of legal expense to get a Judicial Review of the process!
Waimea dam project may be refloated
Cancel all irrigation rights and there will be no shortages. Recent council report stated that many irrigators are grossly exceeding their allocation. Cancel them first!
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
Thank you for bringing this into the open. This is very serious!
Tasman District Council decides to proceed with controversial Waimea dam project
Sir Geoffrey Palmer said decisions can be revisited. Too right they can! You can be sure that next year, when there is a new council (without Two Votes and his mates), the decision in favour of a dam will be reversed. Construction is unlikely to have started by next October as all the anticipated legal challenges will still be dragging on.
'Third World' water provisions may be introduced if Waimea dam plan canned
There are more acceptable alternatives which Kempthorne, King and co refuse to consider. These include MAR (managed aquifer replenishment), pipeing down the old railway route from the lakes, serial low weirs, etc., etc..The reason there is a shortage of water is that TDC have already allocated more water for irrigation than is available. Ban irrigation and problem fixed. Let the farmers turn to dry-land farming.
Alas: Smith and Jones hit out at council decision to end Waimea dam plan
Wrong! Read the latest report to Council on the TDC website. The council officers identified 18 alternatives, but only investigated four. There a reason other high value crops that dont need much water.
Waimea dam project may be refloated
What part of the word NO does Kempthorne not understand? I hope he understands GO!
Waimea dam project may be refloated
This Extraordinary meeting of Council has been called at short notice. The addenda can be found on TDC website under Council Meetings. The PUBLIC will be EXCLUDED for the Waimea Dam item. This stinks! I trust any councillors unable to attend will be allowed to vote by phone, as in the past.
Waimea dam build price $18m over estimate, project cost blows out by $26m
I agree. Look at the big blowout with the Clyde Dam when they discovered a fault line when the job was half finished.
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Cam the Town Clerk please explain why council officers identified 18 different options for water augmentation, but only considered four, and only gave councillors financials for the dam option? Why were councillors not given cost/benefit data for all 18 options? Who is running TDC - the councillors or the civil servants?
Cafe owners face going broke over councils ridiculous 12 chair limit
Do it like they do in Italy. Coffee is cheaper if you stand. That way they can accomodate lots more.
Nelson MP Dr Nick Smith defers local bill, urges rethink on Waimea dam vote
We can vote Kempthorne and Co out next year. Pity we have to wait another two years to vote out Nick! Doesnt he understand the word NO? I hope he understands GO!
Greens to oppose, Labour to back Waimea dam local bill
Take note Jacinda, youve lost my Party Vote. And, Damian, I wont be voting for you either.Do the majority of politicians understand the Nicks bill will require urban ratepayers to subsidise a few farmers? NZ gave up agricultural subsidies decades ago.Good on the Greens for taking a stand and listening to the majority of Tasman ratepayers.
'Third World' water provisions may be introduced if Waimea dam plan canned
Use recycled water for crops. In Singapore and London they use recycled water for drinking. Here the waste water is wasted on Rabbit Island.
Mayor Richard Kempthorne to stay in wash up of Waimea dam decision
Time for Kempthorne, King and co to fall on their swords, and resign. They wont have a show of re-election next year!The report to TDC said they identified 18 options for water, but only considered four. Now the Council should seriously look at the other alternatives.
Waimea dam project like slow train wreck, says Cr Dean McNamara
Well said! Please stand for Mayor next year.
Tasman District Council decides to proceed with controversial Waimea dam project
TDC cant do a simple job like the Queen Street rebuilt on time and within budget. Building a dam will make them broke. Then the goverment will sack the mayor and councillors and force the amalgamation with Nelson. How are Nelson ratepayers going to like picking up the TDC debts?
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
NO! The report from council officers said they had identified 18 options for water augmentation, but only looked at four.
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Sir Geoffrey Palmer said decisions can be revisited. Too right they can! If TDC go ahead with the dam you can be sure that next year, when there is a new council (without Two Votes and his mates),any decision in favour of a dam will be reversed. Construction is unlikely to have started by next October as all the anticipated legal challenges will still be dragging on.
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
Page 71 of the agenda for the July meeting of the Environment Committee says The remaining 41 were confirmed as illegal excess watertakes from 23 different water users TDC should cancel their allocations and then there will be plenty of water!
First-World water prices for Third-World supply, says industry leader
NPI should start by conserving water. Every day they are putting tons of steam into the atmosphere. They are on the shore and could easily use treated saltwater for their industrial purposes. Alternatively, they can use recycled water - places like London and Singapore have recycled water out of their taps - ours is wasted on Rabbit Island.The fact that NPI are foreign owned does not impress me!
Tasman District Council U-turn on Waimea dam draws mixed reaction
Then TDC will go broke and the government will force the. Amalgamation with Nelson. How are Nelson ratepayers going to like having to pay off these debts?
First-World water prices for Third-World supply, says industry leader
There are better alternatives to the dam, such as Managed Aquifer Replenishment, as used in Canterbury, Holland, Arizona, etc.. One pumps water underground in the wet season and pumps it back up when it is dry. The total volume of the known aquifers under the Waimea Plain is over 80million cubic meters - the proposed dam is only 12 million! The operating costs may be a bit higher, but the capital cost will be less.
Call for submissions on local bill related to proposed Waimea dam
Could it be the Japanese owners of Nelson Pine Ind? Or is it Fonterra? If the latter we can expect the Waimea River to be a disaster zone. A dry river bed in winter when then are building up supplies for Summer irrigation - and the river will be polluted with dairy run off. All to make a few farmers rich at ratepayers expense. We gave up agricultural subsidies in the 1980s!
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
TDC Council need a restructure. My experience of other councils is that the issues are developed in Sub-committees, which then report to the full Council a couple of weeks later for confirmation or amendment. The Press reports of Sub-committee business gives the public a chance to state their views before the Council meeting. In TDC, all councillors are on the major Committees and binding decisions are made there, without a public airing.
TDC hopes Provincial Growth Fund will plug $18m hole in Waimea dam plan
I thought NZ agave up agricultural subsidies decades ago. The dam is a backward step. Big problem is that TDC have already allocated more water for irrigation than is available. Take it back, and there will be plenty of water for the 99% of the residents who dont irrigate!
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Councillors heard a international consultant engineer who is based in Moutere submit that dam was not safe and that cost could double. TDC will go broke over this and all the councillors will be sacked. Then the government will force amalgamation with Nelson and Nelson ratepayers will have to pay off the TDC debt!
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
Look in the phone book. Several of the Kempthorne Clan live on the zone of benefit. Does any body know if Tim King (deputy mayor) and Murray King (irrigator) are related?
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Thats grounds for a Judicial Review!
Nelson, Tasman councils to enter negotiations over Waimea dam funding
And get Nelson ratepayers to pick up TDC debts!
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Many of the farmers in the zone of benefit already have their own dams and reservoirs put there by their forward thinking forebears at their own expense. Let others do the same now and not expect urban ratepayers to subsidise their operations.
Nelson MP Dr Nick Smith defers local bill, urges rethink on Waimea dam vote
Nick seems to have forgotten that NZ gave up agricultural subsidies in the 1980s.
First-World water prices for Third-World supply, says industry leader
The reason there is not enough water is that TDC have over allocated the amount of water available. Take back the irrigation allocations and the problem will be fixed!
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
TDC will go broke, either when people dont pay their rates, or when cost over-runs from the dam hit. Either way, the government could appoint a Commissioner to run the district, or force amalgamation with Nelson. In the latter case, Nelson will have to settle TDCs debts.
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Time to reorganise TDC. Other councils Ive dealt with do the detail work in Sub-committees, possibly if closed session if it is commercially sensitive. Their recommendations go in a report to full council a couple of weeks later. This may be taken up by the press so is known to the public. The full council have time to read the report and can then adopt, amend or reject the subcommittees recommendations.
Tuesday looms as likely decision day for controversial Waimea dam project
I agree. We can look forward to TDC going broke over this. The government will then sack Kempthorne and his councillors and appoint a Commissioner
Reservoir alternative to Waimea dam feasible, says TDC engineering boss
When one flies over the region one can see all the small, privately owned, irrigation ponds that forward thinking farmers and orchardists created at their own expense many years ago. Let those who want the dam do this.In the TDC environment committee last month it was reported that 23 parties grossly exceeded the amount of water they were permitted to take. What Are TDC doing about this?Also, what about the Council officers who over allocated the available water for irrigation. Have they been sacked?
Tasman District Council U-turn on Waimea dam draws mixed reaction
It has not been proven that water will percolate from the dam to the aquifers. Most dams silt up, and when this happens, no water will reach the aquifers. Then the likely outcome is that they will have to pump the water underground. They could do that now. Pump water into the huge aquifers in the wet season and pump it back up when it is dry. This is Managed Aquifer Replenishment, as done in Canterbury, Holland, Arizona, etc.
Security plan for sensitive Waimea dam project documents "reeks"
The whole business of the dam stinks. Hopefully Kempthorne, King and the other supporters will be ousted in next years local body elections. We ratepayers, as well as the councillors, need to know what is going on behind the scenes - I dont trust the Council officers. What is the total cost going to be? Who will pay for the over-runs? NZ agave up agricultural subsidies. Years ago. This dam will be a backward step.
Waimea Irrigators finds investor to help plug funding gap for dam plan
With a bit of luck, delays will go on till after next years local body elections. There is no way Kempthorne will get back in!
'Power of the people' key factor in council U-turn on Golden Bay grandstand
Now Kempthorne, King and co. need to list again to the majority and do an other U-turn over the Waimea dam.
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
Agree. And when it goes to court, ratepayers will pay twice - once for their action against TDC, and also paying TDCs lawyers.
Traveller disgusted by state of Wellsford's public toilets
Not only third world countries are worse. Just back from France. In rural areas some toilets still just have a starting blocks and a hole in the floor. Where there is a toilet as we know it, there is no guarantee of a seat or paper or a door. The old open-to-view pissoire are now rare.
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
The only winners from the court case will be the lawyers. WIN and others who sue TDC will have their legal costs, and all ratepayers will have to pay TDCs.
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
But the Iwi wont let you pipe it out of Mot!
Waimea dam ad prompts complaint
Did you know that council officers identified 18 different options but only looked at the dam and two others?
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
No! Cancel the irrigation rights for thr 23 who grossly exceed their allocation! Then we wont need restrictions.
Over budget and over time, but Queen St in Richmond officially opens after upgrade
No way can they build a dam within budget. Time to pull the plug on that project. Hopeful Kempthorne King and co will be gone next local body elections
Waimea dam ad prompts complaint
If the dam goes ahead you can expect TDC to go broke. Then the government will force the amalgamation with Nelson. How will Nelson ratepayers like to be saddled with Tasman debts
Hole in Nelson council staff reporting of $8m "even more concern than Greenmeadows"
When it comes to lowest-price contracting, Pay peanuts, get monkeys
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Agreed! And when TDC go broke, the government will sack the mayor and councillors and force an amalgamation with Nelson. How are Nelson ratepayers going to like laying off TDCs debts?
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
If this the price of buying the soul of two councillors?
Motueka community concerned about public display of gang patches
Time for the politicians to do something. Come on Nick! Do something about a real problem instead of pushing the dam!
Waimea dam ad prompts complaint
Staker, do your homework! Read the report to the August Coincil meeting (Google: tdc council meetings). 18 options have been identified, but only the dam and two others given any consideration. If they looked at Managed Aquifer Replenishment, as done in Canterbury, Holland and Arizona, they wouldnt need a dam. The known aquifers total over 80 million cubic meters - the dam would only be 12!
Motueka branch of ANZ to close in July
Leadership you call it? John Key is chairman of ANZs NZ board of directors!!
Tasman councillors overturn planned demolition of Golden Bay grandstand
Now Kempthorne and his mates better listen to the majority of Tasman ratepayers and ditch their plans for the Waimea Dam. He will be gone next years local body elections - that is a safe bet!
Nelson MP Dr Nick Smith defers local bill, urges rethink on Waimea dam vote
Nick Smith is meant to be a member of the House of Representatives - he should be representing the majority of the community and oppose the dam.
Motueka branch of ANZ to close in July
2 days agoNarkI was a customer of National Bank for nearly 50 years till ANZ took them over. Services have steadily declined since then. Time for me to look for a new bank!Keith Holysmoke was a Motueka man. He must be turning in his grave over this. John Key is chairman of ANZs NZ board. Shame on him for letting this happen!