Dont even suggest that. This is only the start of the shortfalls - theres roading, site clearance, unstable rocks, new bores inside the stopbanks, land purchase, consultants fees, you name it this is only the beginning and TDC are happy for ratepayers to cover any cost overruns.
Nobody should pay for it. Not the tax payers or the ratepayers. As Peter Fraser said right at the beginning the dam does not fit the bill. Too big, too expensive. If anybody had listened another alternative of which there are plenty at less cost would have been considered and worked on to help water mismanagement. Shame on council staff and misinformed irrigators.
My comments are based upon 4years of reading, researching and attending council meetings.There no requirement, legal or otherwise, to augment river flow.Pond can be filled during most flows.Current grants, $12M may be lost. Better than wasting much more than that.The dam is not needed by anyone, except possibly WEIC. Certainly not needed by TDC.The real Q is why do we think there is a water problem. Our aquifers have a huge capacity. The problem is stupid/illogical rationing triggers created by TDC staff. There in lie the issue.Murray Dawson
Words fail me. What an ignorant name calling man - and these people are the government using tax payers money. Whats to understand about us sitting on one of the biggest aquifers in NZ. God help us.
If you think this is bad, wait until TDC , Nick Smith , Shane Jones etc ram the dam through. Then youll see cost overruns, to affect many, many years. Struggling ratepayers and no money for fixing infrastructure- leaky pipes, damaged stop banks, broken footpaths.
There should have been judicial reviews on this dam process already. However ratepayers have run out of money. Is the CEO paying for this review from her own pocket?
Green machine. The Cawthron report to the council says the dam will not improve water quality, the problem as already stated is the present nutrient run off. More irrigation, more nutrient run off.
Rubbish. There are no pipes from this dam. 95% of released water will flow to sea. The Richmond urban water supply is We sit on one of the largest aquifers inNZ. The water problem is TDC mismanagement and ridiculous triggers. Its not people who live in nice houses we worry about, it is people on fixed incomes, families stretched to pay for overpriced houses. Our rates are the second highest in nz now and water rates the highest.
Emotion aside, our region doesnt need a dam as there is plenty of water. If Richmond and Nelson fixed there leaky pipes there would be water for China and a huge water resource in the ground.
Hey Steve so you are an irrigator and youre saying the councillors voted but all the financial details werent made available. Certainly the investors name wasnt made available maybe you can tell ratepayers who it is?
Sid you arent getting any water from the Maitai dam. Its silted up and has organic matter making the water unusable. NCC are looking at a cost of 17 million to try to fix the problem. Read the NCC council minutes its all written there.
TDC Water use is decreasing, including irrigators. WIL pumpage has decreased. House holders use less water than farms. This is all on the TDC website from pumpage data. More than that TDC have a NIWA report showing that our weather overall is getting wetter. Facts ignored.
Nearly 400 protesting outside the Council, of these only 30 irrigators including their staff , 86% of submissions against the dam being paid by ratepayers. How many individuals is that Chris - sounds like a majority with common sense to me.
Yes Barney, Kempthorne had a big sign down the road that he stood for no rate increases. If the ratepayers had realised that they would be underwriting cost overruns for a dam for irrigators the result would have been very different. Just watch the next election. Which cant come soon enough.
Fishing is using less water as they are now processing on the high seas. WIL is using less water as urban expansion uses much less water than farming. Fix the leaks and cooperate with Nelson. What about helping Nelson to fix the Maitai which is full of sludge and organic matter and cant be used for urban supply. Now theres a cheaper option!
Worth looking at!! The big advantage is this could be a staged proposal, one pond at a time and then see if more water is needed. The Crown loan is a loan and has to be paid back. So a much smaller cost and no loan would not be a problem. Lesley Dawson
Hello MatthewI have read extensively on Waimea plains aquifer and the clear conclusion is that they have a capacity much greater than any projected demand. Richmond development has a very minor impact upon overall demand.Murray Dawson
Hello Samf and othersFrom someone who has been researching TDC data base I can inform you that TDC, i.e. reticulated pumpage, has decreased since the year 2000.Murray Dawson
Tim I think were paying for the Mayor and a mate to go to Japan not China. I doubt Japan will be able to help with our water. Tell me again why is the mayor going?
Tama we live on one of the biggest aquifers in NZ. Ratepyers just want the council to manage the water properly. In a 12 week summer 60 million cubes of groundwater flows over the plains to the sea of this TDC uses 3million cubes. ( info from TDC website). There is plenty of water there for irrigators. Get the triggers put at Appleby Bridge and use a modicum of common sense. Stop bullying the irrigators factories and rate payers.
Wrong. Irrigator bores draw from groundwater that flows over the top of the unconfined aquifer. Over a 12week summer when water is most needed 60 million cubes of groundwater flow over the plains to the sea, of this all bores TDC and irrigators draw 3 million cubes. These numbers are from the TDC website. Also increase in homes equals decrease in water use as homes use only a fraction of of water irrigators use. The problem is an illogical trigger regime for cease takes. This means TDC scares the hell out of everybody by telling them there is a shortage of water when in fact we live on top of one of the biggest aquifers in nz and have plenty of water. Im not surprised you have misinformation as this is the line your Council tells you.
Hey and NCC built the Maitai dam. Whoops its silted up and they cant use it. Whoops the water is toxic. Whoops it is going to cost $17 million to fix. Maybe the NCC should have used the $5 million to start this rather than waste it on TDCs folly.
Echoman there is plenty of water. We live on one of the biggest aquifers in NZ. The problem is complete mismanagement of triggers which is done to scare everybody, including the irrigators and industries. A start would be fixing leaks, cost way under $120 million.
Hello RealisteveYou have criticised â˜environmentalists in a distorted way. Leaving that aside most ratepayers opposing paying for the dam do not fit your characterisation. The biggest issue in this debate is that too much misinformation, and selective information, has been presented to councillors and the public. If a more accurate understanding of our water had been presented then the dam would never have been suggested. Our water resource is ample for our foreseeable needs.Murray Dawson
Mr Mayor, Urban water is secure and there is plenty of it. Revisit the illogical rationing rules. There needs to be some honesty about this. Alternative urban water supplies are not needed. Murray Dawson.
It is absolutely not 1 to say any other water supply options would cost more than the proposed dam. They have not been properly costed by staff. secondly the rationing trigger regime is illogical. Severe restrictions are not necessary. Lesley Dawson
Decisions like dam vote can be revisited says Sir Geoffrey Palmer
Arent Geoffrey Palmer and John Palmer cousins?
Greens to oppose, Labour to back Waimea dam local bill
Dont even suggest that. This is only the start of the shortfalls - theres roading, site clearance, unstable rocks, new bores inside the stopbanks, land purchase, consultants fees, you name it this is only the beginning and TDC are happy for ratepayers to cover any cost overruns.
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Nobody should pay for it. Not the tax payers or the ratepayers. As Peter Fraser said right at the beginning the dam does not fit the bill. Too big, too expensive. If anybody had listened another alternative of which there are plenty at less cost would have been considered and worked on to help water mismanagement. Shame on council staff and misinformed irrigators.
Reservoir proposal 'ludicrous' alternative to Waimea dam
My comments are based upon 4years of reading, researching and attending council meetings.There no requirement, legal or otherwise, to augment river flow.Pond can be filled during most flows.Current grants, $12M may be lost. Better than wasting much more than that.The dam is not needed by anyone, except possibly WEIC. Certainly not needed by TDC.The real Q is why do we think there is a water problem. Our aquifers have a huge capacity. The problem is stupid/illogical rationing triggers created by TDC staff. There in lie the issue.Murray Dawson
Shane Jones urges Tasman councillors to stand up for Waimea dam
Words fail me. What an ignorant name calling man - and these people are the government using tax payers money. Whats to understand about us sitting on one of the biggest aquifers in NZ. God help us.
Tasman councillors vote against proceeding with Waimea dam
We just want the leaks fixed
Tasman District Council decides to proceed with controversial Waimea dam project
How can this be back on track? The council LTP is $190 million debt. Cost overruns will make it and ratepayers bankrupt.
Hole in Nelson council staff reporting of $8m "even more concern than Greenmeadows"
If you think this is bad, wait until TDC , Nick Smith , Shane Jones etc ram the dam through. Then youll see cost overruns, to affect many, many years. Struggling ratepayers and no money for fixing infrastructure- leaky pipes, damaged stop banks, broken footpaths.
Waimea dam project costing Tasman District ratepayers $20,000 every month
WILs money was a loan from TDC. So Mr Choat it would seem that TDC ratepayers are paying all the money not just half.
TDC hopes Provincial Growth Fund will plug $18m hole in Waimea dam plan
There should have been judicial reviews on this dam process already. However ratepayers have run out of money. Is the CEO paying for this review from her own pocket?
Greens to oppose, Labour to back Waimea dam local bill
Green machine. The Cawthron report to the council says the dam will not improve water quality, the problem as already stated is the present nutrient run off. More irrigation, more nutrient run off.
Greens to oppose, Labour to back Waimea dam local bill
Rubbish. There are no pipes from this dam. 95% of released water will flow to sea. The Richmond urban water supply is We sit on one of the largest aquifers inNZ. The water problem is TDC mismanagement and ridiculous triggers. Its not people who live in nice houses we worry about, it is people on fixed incomes, families stretched to pay for overpriced houses. Our rates are the second highest in nz now and water rates the highest.
TDC hopes Provincial Growth Fund will plug $18m hole in Waimea dam plan
Emotion aside, our region doesnt need a dam as there is plenty of water. If Richmond and Nelson fixed there leaky pipes there would be water for China and a huge water resource in the ground.
Reservoir proposal 'ludicrous' alternative to Waimea dam
Subuko: All we need to sort out is the completely illogical water triggers.
Greens to oppose, Labour to back Waimea dam local bill
Chris you dont get water from the Maitai dam, it has silted up and has toxic minerals in it. It needs a few million to sort it out.
Tasman District Council decides to proceed with controversial Waimea dam project
Hey Steve so you are an irrigator and youre saying the councillors voted but all the financial details werent made available. Certainly the investors name wasnt made available maybe you can tell ratepayers who it is?
Mayor Richard Kempthorne to stay in wash up of Waimea dam decision
Sid you arent getting any water from the Maitai dam. Its silted up and has organic matter making the water unusable. NCC are looking at a cost of 17 million to try to fix the problem. Read the NCC council minutes its all written there.
Waimea dam project costing Tasman District ratepayers $20,000 every month
TDC Water use is decreasing, including irrigators. WIL pumpage has decreased. House holders use less water than farms. This is all on the TDC website from pumpage data. More than that TDC have a NIWA report showing that our weather overall is getting wetter. Facts ignored.
Waimea Irrigators finds investor to help plug funding gap for dam plan
There wasnt a referendum because the mayor used two votes to stop it.
Tuesday looms as likely decision day for controversial Waimea dam project
Nearly 400 protesting outside the Council, of these only 30 irrigators including their staff , 86% of submissions against the dam being paid by ratepayers. How many individuals is that Chris - sounds like a majority with common sense to me.
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Yes Barney, Kempthorne had a big sign down the road that he stood for no rate increases. If the ratepayers had realised that they would be underwriting cost overruns for a dam for irrigators the result would have been very different. Just watch the next election. Which cant come soon enough.
Mayor Richard Kempthorne to stay in wash up of Waimea dam decision
Fishing is using less water as they are now processing on the high seas. WIL is using less water as urban expansion uses much less water than farming. Fix the leaks and cooperate with Nelson. What about helping Nelson to fix the Maitai which is full of sludge and organic matter and cant be used for urban supply. Now theres a cheaper option!
Reservoir alternative to Waimea dam feasible, says TDC engineering boss
Worth looking at!! The big advantage is this could be a staged proposal, one pond at a time and then see if more water is needed. The Crown loan is a loan and has to be paid back. So a much smaller cost and no loan would not be a problem. Lesley Dawson
Tasman District Council decides to proceed with controversial Waimea dam project
How does that work when we are sitting on one of the biggest aquifer systems inNZ?
'Third World' water provisions may be introduced if Waimea dam plan canned
Hello MatthewI have read extensively on Waimea plains aquifer and the clear conclusion is that they have a capacity much greater than any projected demand. Richmond development has a very minor impact upon overall demand.Murray Dawson
Waimea dam project costing Tasman District ratepayers $20,000 every month
Wrong! WIL are using Crown money guaranteed by TDC. Its semantics that it is from CIIL. Check your facts on the TDC website.
Mayor Richard Kempthorne to stay in wash up of Waimea dam decision
No it wouldnt Billy. The life of dams is only 50 years. It would be completely silted up like the Maitai and useless. Yesterdays thinking.
'Third World' water provisions may be introduced if Waimea dam plan canned
Hello Samf and othersFrom someone who has been researching TDC data base I can inform you that TDC, i.e. reticulated pumpage, has decreased since the year 2000.Murray Dawson
Mayor Richard Kempthorne to stay in wash up of Waimea dam decision
Tim I think were paying for the Mayor and a mate to go to Japan not China. I doubt Japan will be able to help with our water. Tell me again why is the mayor going?
Waimea dam rates on new Tasman District Council bills upset some ratepayers
Yes and at the moment Drummond is seconded to DamCo at $20 000/month, which Council is paying!
Mayor Richard Kempthorne to stay in wash up of Waimea dam decision
Hey get rid of Tiwai and its huge subsides and there will be so much power our costs will halve, no worries
Tasman councillors vote against proceeding with Waimea dam
Tama we live on one of the biggest aquifers in NZ. Ratepyers just want the council to manage the water properly. In a 12 week summer 60 million cubes of groundwater flows over the plains to the sea of this TDC uses 3million cubes. ( info from TDC website). There is plenty of water there for irrigators. Get the triggers put at Appleby Bridge and use a modicum of common sense. Stop bullying the irrigators factories and rate payers.
Plans for Waimea dam project secrecy has the backing of Tasman council boss
Barney we were all inside listening to the arguments. It might be a good idea if you did that too and became more informed.
Waimea dam rates on new Tasman District Council bills upset some ratepayers
Wrong. Irrigator bores draw from groundwater that flows over the top of the unconfined aquifer. Over a 12week summer when water is most needed 60 million cubes of groundwater flow over the plains to the sea, of this all bores TDC and irrigators draw 3 million cubes. These numbers are from the TDC website. Also increase in homes equals decrease in water use as homes use only a fraction of of water irrigators use. The problem is an illogical trigger regime for cease takes. This means TDC scares the hell out of everybody by telling them there is a shortage of water when in fact we live on top of one of the biggest aquifers in nz and have plenty of water. Im not surprised you have misinformation as this is the line your Council tells you.
First-World water prices for Third-World supply, says industry leader
You obviously dont have any children that would like to live here. What you will have is a bankrupt council.
First-World water prices for Third-World supply, says industry leader
Hey and NCC built the Maitai dam. Whoops its silted up and they cant use it. Whoops the water is toxic. Whoops it is going to cost $17 million to fix. Maybe the NCC should have used the $5 million to start this rather than waste it on TDCs folly.
First-World water prices for Third-World supply, says industry leader
Echoman there is plenty of water. We live on one of the biggest aquifers in NZ. The problem is complete mismanagement of triggers which is done to scare everybody, including the irrigators and industries. A start would be fixing leaks, cost way under $120 million.
Tasman District Council faces calls to shelve Waimea dam plan
Hello RealisteveYou have criticised â˜environmentalists in a distorted way. Leaving that aside most ratepayers opposing paying for the dam do not fit your characterisation. The biggest issue in this debate is that too much misinformation, and selective information, has been presented to councillors and the public. If a more accurate understanding of our water had been presented then the dam would never have been suggested. Our water resource is ample for our foreseeable needs.Murray Dawson
Tasman District Council faces calls to shelve Waimea dam plan
Mr Mayor, Urban water is secure and there is plenty of it. Revisit the illogical rationing rules. There needs to be some honesty about this. Alternative urban water supplies are not needed. Murray Dawson.
Tasman District Council faces calls to shelve Waimea dam plan
It is absolutely not 1 to say any other water supply options would cost more than the proposed dam. They have not been properly costed by staff. secondly the rationing trigger regime is illogical. Severe restrictions are not necessary. Lesley Dawson
Hole in Nelson council staff reporting of $8m "even more concern than Greenmeadows"
Hey Rajib, we need educated people like you on the council. Any chance you could stand?
Waimea Irrigators finds investor to help plug funding gap for dam plan
Yes Jocelyn, however my complaint to stuff means theyve now opened them again