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blazza

127 comments · +707 / −380 · rank #3124 of 40,276

There is not going to be anything that will actually change the judicial process that has occurred so far. It is a nonsense to entertain a fantasy that the legal process up to this point actually could be revisited and new charges laid. This is not going to happen. The same as there has been no prosecutation over the CTV building collapse in Christchurch. The standard of proof required is very high and cannot be sheeted down to any one individual as multiple persons were involved inside the mine.

+47−6

Re-entering the mine has never been considered wise because of the risk of triggering another explosion or fire. This is not what voters signed up to when the government formed a policy prior to the election. It is very questionable that this could be achieved within the government budget.

+50−15

Of course, if you have an unlimited budget... you dont, there is no commercial imperative to reopen the mine, the original access tunnel was 2 km long and that mine is full of methane and all it needs is some enough oxygen to become explosive and it is a gassy mine with a high proportion of methane. The fact it was fiercely on fire is a big negative which means in all probability a lot of equipment will be needed to control the air inside the mine. Most ventiliation of mining assumes you can suck out all the methane and replace it with fresh air, well as soon as air is introduced there will be enough oxygen to cause an explosion so some way has to be found to get rid of all the methane without it blowing up or catching fire. All this will add to the cost and is not actually that simple otherwise it would never have blown up in the first place.

+38−7

Labour only campaigned on re-entering the drift. Not the mine itself. Driving a 200 metre tunnel into the mine is probably going to cost a lot more than this, it could easily blow out to $100 million the way the cost continually blew out when the Pike River company was driving in there, there is a fault line with fractured rock.

+31−2

In Australian mines have been closed sealed up with bodies inside them. Also has happened in NZ. They didnt happen to have a government willing to throw $100 million (probably the 1 cost by the time this is all finished) around because I doubt this will actually give them any more information than they already had, claims the police will reopen the case and take someone to court are fanciful because the police made the right decision because NZ doesnt have a corporate manslaughter law.

+24−1

I doubt it will go back in production as the coal isnt worth bugger all but they have misled voters by only campaigning that they would reopen the drift as far as the rockfall and now they want to undertake the huge risk and expense of reopening the mine, have the so called experts forgotten this mine exploded four or five times and caught fire and the GAG machine had to be flown in from Australia to extinguish it.

+22−0

The rest of NZ is not going to fund the cost blowout that is inevitable once this department realises re entry is not a cakewalk. Underground mining fires such as the one that occurred when the mine blew up are extremely difficult to extinguish. The fact that the mine could explode or catch fire quite readily if it is re entered and be very difficult to extinguish has to be a consideration and probably will be material to the process.

+33−13

It was never an election promise to carry out the very risky and expensive procedure of reopening the mine. All that was proposed was opening up the drift to see if there were any bodies in front of the rockfall. Now that tunnel they are proposing to reopen will almost certainly blow out as it is not an easy option to put a tunnel into a mine that is an explosion risk and through fault lines with shattered rock which makes the tunnel more expensive. The Pike River company had a lot of trouble with the fault line and a collapsed ventilation shaft so there is a likely risk of the cost blowing out and the government will be under pressure to keep driving in at more cost just as the Pike River company was.

+14−1

It pays to do your homework and weigh up the risks. For example Flockton Basin had a notable history of flood issues going back decades. It wasnt a recent thing that they were having floods there, it was just more recent since the quakes.

+6−0

Ever since some do gooder decided that councillors should be full time professional politicians in stead of working people with a real job somewhere else as they once were. When the CEO was called the City Manager, The whole idea that some left wing politicians have come up with that a council is run like a business and elected members are full time politicians.

+6−0

As long as you have wealthy property owners (Cr Gough etc) sitting around the council table pushing for yet more rates money to be pumped into schemes to pump up their developments nothing will ever change. The stadium is an example of this, part of the cost of which will push up rates 60% in the next 10 years.

+5−1

I think Johnny just wants a more balanced perspective from council because all they have at the moment is the schemes supported by the Goughs and other wealthy property owners calling for large amounts of ratepayers funds to be put into these things to shore up CBD property prices. Rmember Cr Goughs dirty thirty calling out derelict buildings, also an issue but no one said anything about empty land.

+5−1

Elderly people or those with disabilities will find it difficult to get down the stairs of a moving bus to get ready to get off one stop before. Double Deckers are an attempt to cut costs by reducing the number of buses on a route and should never have been considered as a solution. Increasing the route capacity should be by running more of the existing buses which are much more suited for accessibility than a cheap and nasty double decker solution.

+4−0

The government review will be quietly shelved when Labour realises that power prices rose fastest during the term of Helen Clarks government. The reason was that Michael Cullen went to the State owned power companies and got them all to hand over large special dividends to boost the governmments income, these amounts were spent on transport projects.

+8−4

I feel for these people, but it should have been well known for a long time that building at Southshore was always going to be fraught. In fact anyone who wants to buy into a sand spit area or one that is so low (having sunk considerably in the quakes) should have been getting advice on the risks and weighed them up. The fact CCC has had such a woeful past record in allowing unsuitable land to be built on should have rung alarm bells. Dont under any circumstances expect you have a right to build a seawall because there is absolutely no guarantee you will be allowed one. That said, everyone is ducking for cover on the fact these designations have been slapped onto this area with no warning and no compensation.

+7−3

On January 27th The Press reported in this articlehttps://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/100938149/did-missed-defects-lead-to-need-for-chlorination-of-christchurchs-drinking-waterQuote Canterbury medical officer of health Alistair Humphrey says he would have compelled the city council to chlorinate water if it had resisted doing so.In other words the DHB has the power to compel the council to chlorinate the Christchurch water supply. Elected councillors do not have a free vote on this matter.Also search the Press archives you will find the water supply in Christchurch city has been contaminated with E Coli in water samples 125 times in four years.

+3−0

Its called complying with the law of the land. That law mandates building cannot be allowed on land subject to a natural hazard. The regular flouting of this (largely by elected reps who believe they are above the law) created the whole red zone debacle after the quakes and the resulting extensive government bailout.

+3−1

Christchurch now has a joint PT committee made up of the regional council sitting alongside the territorial authorities. For the first time we have a PT plan that was written by all these groups instead of the regional council by itself. There will be calls for more of these joint committees to be set up as people are getting sick of regional councils imposing all these problems in local authority areas by bean counters sitting in their regional offices.

+2−0

Because the city council is not stepping up to do their bit to ensure there are enough roads for the PT network. Wellington is facing a huge problem that the council has their heads in the sand of increasing development with old roads that are carrying higher and higher traffic volumes.

+1−0

Politicians take the rap because they have significant decision making power. The water well heads are example of neglect of core infrastructure that comes back to bite you in the bum because elected representatives have gone to departments asking for endless budget cuts to pay for lolly scrambles and re-election bribes.

+2−1

This only covers less than half the cost of the stadium. Further rates rises are needed to fund the $253 million that council already allocated that is not being funded by this deal. It is hardly going to be something that will appeal to residents already facing more than 50% rates increases over the next decade.

+13−12

If you have a fleet of small buses for off peak times and a fleet of big buses for peak times then it is very expensive to have two fleets of buses that only get used for part of a day. Public transport works in Auckland and Wellington and it can be made to work in Christchurch by having a network that is more focused towards the needs of passengers instead of the nonsense cuts that National has forced primary through a cost cutting approach.

+3−2

7500 is a ridiculous number of these columns. Someone has got their numbers crossed I think. However it is likely to be a highly suitable treatment but it highlights that a great deal of development across Christchurch was done on unsuitable land for too long.

+1−0

Do you know that the people calling for asset sales are the ones who have benefited the most from these rates increases. Because so much ratepayer money is going into redeveloping the CBD, where land prices are too high, because it helps prop up those land prices. Thats why we need a huge expensive stadium in the CBD, and why suggestions the stadium and arena in Addington should be extended are not being considered.

+1−0

By their dates they made their land purchase in early 2016. By which stage, the furore over the flood management zoning was already well underway. CCRU were already raising it. Wisdom at the time wouldhave been to have waited until the issue was conclusively resolved.

+3−2

The red zone payouts intention was to give the council a get out of jail free card to avoid being sued by insurance companies for allowing land subject to natural hazards to been built on. If the CCC had done its job properly in the previous decades those areas would never had been had houses put on them without massive land stabilisation works. Look at the Bexley Wetlands housing development, no special land works needed, houses that effectively broke in half because the land was so unstable. The outcome now is that CCC staff have told the elected reps to pull their heads in and that they have to follow the law instead of rubberstamping approvals for these housing developments.

+2−1

Just get a bit of a grip on reallty. THe regional council role in public transport is regulated and dictated by central government. These bureacrats actually have to work within the funding limits set by Steven Joyce as the Minister of Transport. They have to make the services fit the amount of available funding.

+0−0

Sure. All domestic pets, ducks and wildfowl can be exterminated to stop them fouling footpaths that can wash off into the stormwater system and all car washing etc banned. The pollution of our city rivers and streams through waterfowl and stormwater runoff is a known fact of life. That is where the primary risk comes from in the city.

+1−1

It doesnt actually. The regional Council has no control over the amount of funding available for these servcies. The Minister of Transport makes those decisions. They Government has passed the buck when they are not prepared to properly fund the services which all depend on government subsidies to cover 50% of their costs.

+0−0

This is all a whitewash. The Mayor believes she can push chlorination safely out of the way of the local government elections next year by demanding it be fixed within 12 months. Of course, ratepayers may have to fork out big just to guarantee her re election chances. The CCC does not have a free vote on chlorination despite what is claimed, the councillors cannot actually stop the chlorination as they are required to have it by the DHB. So even if it takes longer than 12 months which is quite likely the chlorination will continue regardless.

+2−2

Windows sucks, but Mac OS sucks even more. I used to maintain both in a school, while my desktop computers ran Linux, which wins hands down. Both MS and Apple have the same mentality of wanting to control your computer.

+2−2

why the stadium is still not started after 7 years - because the main beneficiaries of stadium development are wealthy CBD landowners who happen to sit at the council table. They are actually commiting ratepayers to 60% increase in rates over the next decade even after taking this huge amount of money out of CCHL.

+3−3

Tell you what mate. The rates subsidy to public transport is no different than the rates subsidy to build roads for all those lovely people to drive their cars on (which cars just happen to clog up with monotonous regularity). Lets see if we charged all the car drivers for the full cost of the roads they want to drive on that public transport wouldnt suddenly become cost effective again.

+1−1

I think mr irreversible that when these places are like Hector and Granity being washed away by the sea there will then be calls for the council to compensate landowners which there are no grounds for. People who choose to buy land close to the sea are responsible for any issue caused by flooding from the sea, it is just one of the risks to be considered.

+5−5

Because in those days if a rock came down and killed someone no one cared. And because the roads were very rough and unsealed. In fact the original road was much rougher than the present route with a zigzag at the quarry. You canot compared the road of today with the original.

+2−2

Residents groups like CCRU need to take some responsibility for this situation as they have given 0 hope to residents by promising to fight the flood management plans, Cr East being implicated in this as well. If the council had done nothing, then insurance companies would refuse to insure these properties. Effectively self interest from the existing residents has smokescreened the issue.

+0−1

The timing might have been unfair, but barely 48 hours after Jacinda Arderns reset speechyeah sure, like that poll was taken the same day it was published was it? Rubbish, it was probably taken before she made her speech. It;s not very honest of Yardley and Duncan Garner to parrot this line that this survey result was a vote on her speech.

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