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Goose_

47 comments · +259 / −78 · rank #5169 of 40,276

Bore off Regan mate, All Blacks look as strong as ever. Angus and Karl are there because they deserve to be. What props have left NZ in the last 5 years that would be in the ABs if they were still here? Still have Atu Moli, Nepo Laulala, Alex Fidow and Kane Hames to come back from injury (along with Moody and Jeff Toomoga-Allen). Looking like were going to have deep front row stocks and competition for places come the 2019 world cup.

+20−2

Im not convinced. Its not a terrible idea, but I think it creates too much of a gap between the ABs/international rugby and the next tear down. Spreads our top talent that is currently condensed into five super rugby teams, to 14 (potentially less if it were to go ahead) provincial sides and weakens the overall skill and ability of the teams. On the other hand it provides more opportunity for young players trying to break into professional rugby. I think our hierarchically tier rugby system is actually the best in the world. Ive played rugby in UK, where each league is promotion/relegation from the Premiership right down to level 9 rugby (usually County 3rd grade) - where, if you win each league year after year you could theoretically progress from a level 9 club to the Premiership. The problem is, you have to leave clubs if you want play at a higher level and get noticed.By contrast, NZs rugby system works in a hierarchy where you can enter club rugby in U21s, play well to make Senior As, go from Senior As to provincial representatives, from there to super rugby and from super rugby to the ABs, at the top of the pyramid. Our system may be slightly broken in terms of commercialism, profitability and viewership, but it is head and shoulders above the rest of the world in terms of talent identification and development pathways for players. Its not broken, it doesnt need to be completely rebuilt - it may do with some slight mending though.

+14−0

Non Canterbury/Crusdaers supporter here. 1) because hes played super rugby 2) Because he can (and has) play(ed) across all 3 back three positions 3) he has performed well for longer. Jordans time will come, but he hasnt played super rugby yet. There is no need to rush him, his time will come but look what happened to Aumua - best thing for Will Jordan after coming off an injury interrupted start of the year and a great mitre 10 cup season is to have a big off season and prove he can do what hes done at Mitre 10 cup and U20 level in super rugby.

+14−0

I have lived in England and constantly got the same rhetoric NZ poach all their players from the islands. So, I did some research. Auckland has more Samoans than any other city in the world, including Apia. Auckland also has 40,000 fijians, half of the population of Suva and 18,000 Tongans, only 5,000 fewer than Nukuʻalofa.The average age that a non-NZ born AB (that have played in the last 5 years) moves to NZ is 6 years old. The average age of the English equivalent is 16 years old. Also, if you look at the players that have represent England and NZ in the last two years, England have a higher % of foreign born players in the last two years than NZ.

+7−0

They still dont have a genuine 7. Billy Vunipola is a hard runner, same with Nathan Hughes but they dont offer much more than the league style hit up. Robshaw is a hard working 6 without any X-Factor and Haskell is a decent player well past his best. Sam Simmonds has potential to be a great player. Give me the ABs loose forward depth over Englands any day of the week

+8−1

foreigners like Debreczeni that was born in Auckland? Nothing wrong with a few teams having some international flavor, I quite like it actually. Auckland have Jacob Umanga who has played for england U20s and a canadian 6, BOP have Ardron, Manawatu have an Aussie 7s player at fullback and a Brumbies prop, Southland have a Reds hooker and thats about it I think. Do 7 overseas players out of around 448 players (14 squads of ~32) really hinder the development of local players?

+3−0

I was speaking to your comment on englands back row depth and nothing else. Englands best back rowers are, in no particular order, Vunipola, Robshaw, Sheilds, Hughes, Haskell and Simmonds. Underhill is behind all of them, apart from maybe Haskell due to age not ability. None are out and out 7s, and neither is Underhill who plays 6 and 7 and is nothing more than a good defender like Robshaw.

+2−1

I cant get over the fact that the Turbos just look badly badly coached. They cant win set piece to save themselves, and thats with three super rugby props and an NZ U20. Lineout a shambles, which looks to be a mix of not having a decent hooker and poorly coached/executed. They dont seem to have any phase play structure in place and dont look to be piecing phases together as part of a plan, just playing off the cuff and trusting the halves to conjure something up for their potent outsides

+1−0

Struggling to see your point. Crotty gets injured quite often, yes, but he also gets himself fit again pretty quickly. You dont see him injured for more than 2-3 weeks very often. You dont need every player to add x-factor. You need cool calm heads that take the pressure off too, Crotty offers this. We need players that have been there and done that, with Rieko still young, Jordie Barrett only having a handful of tests and Goodhue and ALB being in their early 20s, a bit of experience around them can only help.Big fan of the ALB and Goodhue combination, but I think their time will come. Crotty adds a bit of experience and ALB is great off the bench.What is the point in both Mounga and McKenzie on the bench? between them they cover two positions, 10 and fullback. If you have Ben Smith at 15, and he can cover wing. You need specialist midfield cover on the bench with the current setup.

+1−0